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Slide Miles Freedom 20 To Popmatters 000 Bassically, this 21 thing is pissing me off and I want to be able to donate to the Chicago bar scene this year at school. Does anyone have any good experiences with the online fake id stores? Maybe a contact in the Chicagoland area?
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I never had to buy a fake ID, I look almost identical to my brother, so I was able to use one of his old ID's without any problems. |
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Go ahead and send them your money, use the undoubtedly uberfake ID in a bar, watch the bouncer scan it with a blacklight, get kicked out or worse, prosecuted. |
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You'll get busted, be out the money, and maybe get arrested. |
*cackle* |
Given the OMG T3RR0R!!! attitude the past few years, I'm willing to bet arrested is highly likely. The government isn't too keen on the whole fake ID thing lately and a lot of bouncers are ex or off duty police officers. This is why you host small parties and give people money to go buy the good stuff for yah. The police are a lot more forgiving of underage drinking versus forging government identification.
*cackle* is right. Someone apparently doesn't know that the forums are crawled by Google now? oops! Next thread he starts: "Anyone know of a good lawyer in Chicago?" lol |
Yeah, don't do it. I got busted at 20 with a fake id. Over $3000 in fines, 50 hours of community service, and a permanent criminal record. Definitely not worth it. Don't be stupid. |
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Ouch @ thrillhouse |
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Hory Fruck Thrillhouse, that's more impressive a punishment than I thought would be handed down. |
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It's not that big a deal. Besides, there are usually a number of under 21 clubs to go to. Don't be foolish. |
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Don't fake it, you will be asking for (and deserving) trouble. |
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For the punishments it's very dependent on where you are. Most bouncers here will just say "No, that's a fake, leave." Some bouncers will confiscate it. In Wisconsin it's roughly $250 if you're caught with a fake ID by a cop. It's $20,000 and a couple years in jail if you try to use a fake ID with a cop.
Because I'm sure cops have nothing better to do than sit on Google and search for "fake ids". |
I don't know if they used Google or not, but the cops up here (don't recall if it was city or RCMP) recently busted a rather large fake ID business. |
Yeah, they tried to charge me with a Felony. It ended up being three misdemeanors. Fortunately for me, the ADA didn't have the details on all the charges and agreed to drop the Felony. Tampering with a state document (ala a driver's license) is a FELONY. It's really, really NOT worth it. If I'd been convicted, I'd not be able to vote, own a gun, you name it. On every job application EVAR, I'd have to answer yes to that question. I wonder how many people actually hire convicted felons these days. |
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Yeah, the lack of an in-state ID, and one without a hologram to boot, will ring alarms for pretty much any bouncer in the know. Especially in a student-heavy area. Take our advice, don't risk it. |
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I think Da Fish gets bonus points for creativity. That almost sounds like it could work. |
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A long time ago in a galaxy far far away (98-00, University of MD) I used to help out youngsters like yourself as well as make a dollar or two. |
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Times have changed Stabmaster. You get busted for falsifying ID now you're looking at getting the Patriot Act right up your ass. |
bouncers have no authority to confiscate anything. of course, if you're using a fake id and they try to take it, you might not stick around to argue, but if you wanted to bluff them there's only about a 50-50 chance they'll call the cops |
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Create an out of state ID for like wyoming or montana or somesuch- then they wont really know what to look for. |
Yeah, but sometimes this gets you denied entry altogether, even if it's perfectly legit! |
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The best thing to do is get to know the bouncers. I started going out when I was 16 in Chicago. Also never piss off a cop, or get a bouncer in trouble. I got caught once after getting let in. I told the cop, I snuck in and the bouncer didn't know. I was always welcome there after that. Of course this was over 20 years ago, so things have changed. Plus I didn't drink much then, I was more interested in dancing and meeting older girls.
In Chicago, there's a 50-50 chance the bouncer is a cop. Lot's of off-duty cops, especially from the suburbs do it to earn a little extra cash and to pick up girls. Mostly to pick up girls. |
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In my younger years, we had a highway patrol officer who would change your age in the computer. Our highway patrol runs the DMV. Then, you'd go in and get a replacement license. On it, your new birthdate would be printed. |
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Wow, my experience with a fake ID has been very different from that of thrillhouse's. |
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Depending on where you are, you can usually find bars or places who are lax with carding. |
This worked wonderfully for me as a wee bairn. I even passed on the favor to someone else when I was old enough. |
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Become friends with people who work at bars. Then you don't need to bother with the ID. |
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Take that $3000 you would end up have to pay in fines and buy yourself a plane ticket to Germany, France, or somewhere else you can drink legally. As much as I disagree with the drinking age laws in this country, it isn't worth a felony conviction. |
I used to bounce a bit on the weekends for side cash. Bouncers have no LEGAL authority to confiscate a fake but once you hand it over have fun trying getting it back. I worked at a bar in Cali, and grew up in NY. One time a girl came in, and handed me an obvious fake from NY. It said she was from Buffalo. I asked her how long it took to drive to NYC. She replied "about 2 hours" It is an 8 hour drive if you are speeding like hell. She had the audacity to then argue with me about it. I finally told her that one of two things would happen. Choice one was that I called the cops. They would show up, and then call it in. If it was real, she would be drinking all night for free courtesy of the bar. If it was fake, she would be spending the weekend in county till she got bailed out Monday morning. Choice two was she turn around and walk away. She picked two. 90% of the time, the person trying to use the fake ID would give them selves away before they handed it over. Stupid things like pacing in front of the bar for a while before building up the courage to try and get in. Or pull out their wallet, and swap the fake with their real license 10 feet away from me. Being overly friendly, and trying to hard to fit in. Keep in mind that you using a fake really screws a lot of people over. The local cops used to walk though the bars in the area on the weekends. If they caught some one underage, the bouncer and bartenders/servers caught a big fine and a misdemeanor on their records. |
There are many closer places to drink, like Indian reservations, Canada, Mexico, etc. Honestly, IMO it isn't worth the risk to try using a fake ID. If you absolutely must go out drinking in bars, you are better off just trying to order drinks but giving up if you get carded. |
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++ on "make connections" and "find some other way to drink". Don't be stupid. Don't go out of your way to spend money to be stupid, either.
At my last job we wouldn't accept NJ ID's for that reason exactly. |
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Ask around at school or find someone who looks like you. I would feel unsafe buying online or from someone I didn't know. |
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Open a checking account, and every week between now and your birthday, put in however much you'd have wasted that week at the bar. Then, when you turn 21 and get your real ID, go to Binny's or Sam's and buy some good alcohol. Then, take it home and enjoy it with your friends at a place that isn't loud and smokey. |
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Why use a fake ID when you could use a real one? If you really want to have a useable ID that misrepresents your age, forge documents that the DMV (yours or a neighboring state) uses to verify age. It's much easier to doctor a copy of your birth certificate than a state issued ID. Use as much of your real information as you can get away with (so other ID corroborates - like bank cards and such). |
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move to a country with a civilized drinking age. |
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If you must use a fake, and I dunno how much I'd recommend it, absolutely use personal connections and a cash transaction. I made it through college without a fake, and I didn't turn 21 until November of my senior year of college. Sure, it put a cramp in my social life at certain points, but still, not a huge deal. |
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A couple of my old buddies from high school made fake IDs, and they were damn near perfect. They had high-tech equipment, the same card stock the DMV used, high quality holographic and UV ink, a perfect Photoshop template, you name it, they had it. They even moved the operation around once a week and sold the equipment twice a month to another producer to create a very long trail. The end product was almost an exact copy, right down to weight and card flexability. We're talking differences of a couple milligrams. A hard feat to accomplish with California IDs, since they're considered to be the toughest to duplicate. |
This depends on state law. In Arizona a citizen can detain someone who's committed a felony until law enforcement shows up. In Arizona the following are felonies: Criminal Impersonation (ARS 13-2006) Forgery (ARS 13-2002) Tampering with a Public Record (ARS 13-2407) Even if its an out of state license, Criminal Impersonation applies. As thrillhouse already mentioned, a felony, regardless of class, is a very serious issue. |
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Doctor up ID from a non-existant country (like the Duchy of Grand Fenwick). |
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Seriously, just go to parties. Bars are expensive, noisy, smoky, and usually full of idiots. Parties are cheap, noisy, smoky, and usually full of idiots.... but at least they're cheap! |
